Last I heard Simon was still working on the new layout and testing to see which features we prefer. He said it all takes a lot of time and he has been busy.
Ironing out demon interference can be a real bummer.
peace to you all!
for some reason i thought the board's presntation and format was going to be changed?
but that was some time ago (i think i recall dear simon - peace to you, dear angharad, and your household - posting a "beta" version, or something like that).
Last I heard Simon was still working on the new layout and testing to see which features we prefer. He said it all takes a lot of time and he has been busy.
Ironing out demon interference can be a real bummer.
i was just thinking about all the fear i had when i was a kid that i would be attacked by demons if i wasn't careful.
i mean i lived in absolute terror over it, so i'm going to reminisce about the things i was told were demonized and you can add to the list if you'd like:.
lucky charms cerealcount dracula cerealitems bought at garage sales where there was a cross or anything religious present"hotel california" by the eagles (now one of my favorite songs)wwjd braceletsscooby dooi remember being so scared of every little noise that whenever i would turn off my light to go to bed, i would say "jehovah, jehovah!
Father gathered the family together to inform us of a serious problem. ‘The demons have been bothering your mother again. She gets visions and keeps hearing voices. We can only think that there are still items in the house that are demonised.’
‘Yeah, I keep hearing voices too. Every time the neighbours argue I hear them through the wall,’ I commented.
Nigel sniggered.
‘Don’t be sarcastic! This is a very important matter.’ Father cleared his throat and continued. ‘The table is second-hand and the previous owners may have sat around it contacting demons. It could be one of the items that the demons are getting into the house through.’
The table was a central point in our house. It would be a shame to sacrifice it and we had no money for a replacement.
Father looked at me again. ‘That walking stick that you keep in your bed may also be demonised because mother has been getting visions of a man threatening to beat her with a walking stick. These things will have to be thrown away along with anything else that may be demonised.’
It seemed a shame to lose the walking stick but if the demons left the house, it would no longer be needed.
‘Can’t we sell the table?’ I asked.
‘No. If we do that the demons may get at the people we sell it to, through the table. We would be playing into the Devils hands.’ father informed me.
After much sawing through the tough seasoned oak and hammering, the table was broken up into manageable pieces and loaded into our old van-shaped car. I agreed to go with father to the rubbish dump, some five miles away. As we pulled away, I turned around to look at our dangerous cargo, expecting to see evil creatures lurking in the car but all looked normal.
I began to wonder if the demons, upset at being ejected from the house, would try to cause us to crash. Not wanting to distract father, I concealed my fear as my eyes scanned the road ahead. Without closing my eyes, I silently prayed to Jehovah, asking him to protect us. Each mile seemed to take much longer than normal and I barely dared to breathe. Father remained silent, no doubt realizing the risk we were taking. At last, we arrived at the rubbish dump unharmed. I helped father unload the pieces of what had been his only decent piece of furniture. Finally, I angrily threw the walking stick high into the air and watched it fall out of sight.
richard dawkins at a recent conference for atheist, told his followers to mock muslims and christians for their stupid beliefs!
we have been down the path of this kind of thinking dawkins, harris and peter singer promote, it lead to the near irradication of the jews, gypsies, disabled, mentally ill and any other undesirables who were not contributing to the greater good of hitler's, stalin's, pol pot and mao's ideals.. .
can we address the issue at hand, how would you debate peter singer's statement that a "pig is more valuable than a disabled child, human"?
Nature is cruel to be kind. A beautiful flower is not beautiful to nature unless it has the strength to survive. Even the rose has thorns. It is estimated that 96% of every species that has lived on earth is extinct. Survival is a precarious task and one which most living things fail to achieve. If a creature is not equipped to survive, that species will ultimately become extinct. Of course I am forgetting that all things were created by a loving god that is taking care of everything, including the 96% that died-out on his day off!
If humans have a duty, then it is to survive and help other less fortunate people to also survive. This involves making us stronger and more resilient to disease, and physical weakness. Problem is, we are doing a better job than god and the planet is not big enough to cope with our population explosion. If we don’t reduce our population growth and take better care of the planet, nature will act on our behalf. It has already demonstrated how ruthless it can be.
Disclaimer: These forward-looking statements are not guarantees of the future performance of humans or the natural world nature. As my opinion only, they are subject to risks, uncertainties and other factors, some of which are beyond my control and are difficult to predict. Consequently, actual results could differ materially from those expressed, implied or forecasted in these forward-looking statements.
what do you personally believe happens after we die?
i don't believe we really know everything about god or the afterlife.
i do believe that we do transform to something beyond our physical comprehension.
Death is leaving Jehovah's-Witness.net. Some reincarnate onto other forums to start the cycle again.
Others have advanced to a point where they no longer need a discussion forum to survive and float off into cyberspace.
... how truly great this place is.. i have not been on many forums, but i think this one is unique and strong in a very important way.
it is of course a support group for those exiting the wts, or trying to deal with remaining within it, first and foremost.
but the awesome thing about this place is how it welcomes everyone.
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I have been looking at your avatar.
Have you got two heads or should I take more water with it?
... how truly great this place is.. i have not been on many forums, but i think this one is unique and strong in a very important way.
it is of course a support group for those exiting the wts, or trying to deal with remaining within it, first and foremost.
but the awesome thing about this place is how it welcomes everyone.
myelaine Where have you been? I have missed your caustic style of posting.
You have summed up the forum well. This is a place where everyone is welcome, however bizarre their present point of view. You fit in well and remind me not to let my sword go rusty, in case your thief in the knight should happen upon me.
I expect Tammy will be kinder to you; whereas a sinner like me has no ideal to live up to.
... how truly great this place is.. i have not been on many forums, but i think this one is unique and strong in a very important way.
it is of course a support group for those exiting the wts, or trying to deal with remaining within it, first and foremost.
but the awesome thing about this place is how it welcomes everyone.
That’s a very nice sentiment to express Tammy.
This board continues to offer support and help to damaged people leaving the Watchtower Society. It fills a space for those who are feeling lost and often alone. At the same time as they have lost their belief in a new world, and Jehovah’s approval, they are shunned by those they love. They are able to share their loss and heal by talking with the people here, amny of whom are ex-Jehovah's Witnesses.
It has helped me to feel validated in my decision to leave the Watchtower Society, and I like to think I have in some small way tried to give something back. Debate can be helpful in helping people to adopt a new way of assimilating information and coming to an independent conclusion with out the heavy hand of the Watchtower Society on their shoulder.
Here’s to the forum lasting many more years.
what i'd like to know....do you care if there is a god or not?
do you care if you have found a religion and others haven't?
how serious is it if people don't agree with your spiritual agenda?
AGuest “While I'm not sure I can agree with the first part of that, I certainly believe the last part. I am defined by who... and what... I believe I am. Isn't everyone? ”
Yes, we are all defined by what we believe, support, or the ideals we live by.
If our ego or self image is defined by a strong conviction or belief system, then we will feel compelled to defend it against any attack or undermining. As you say, this a necessary part of living in a world where people live by different ideals. The danger arises when the belief system does harm to society. Flexibility and finding common ground, can lead to peace. This board provides an arena where beliefs can be challenged and adjusted. On the whole it works very well.
what i'd like to know....do you care if there is a god or not?
do you care if you have found a religion and others haven't?
how serious is it if people don't agree with your spiritual agenda?
LouBelle “I know why...people are so identified with their ego that what they believe and what they perceive as truth defines who they are. ”
Good point. You have hit the nail on the head. Ego is always present in heated debate. The ego needs to triumph over others and strengthen itself by reassuring the self that it is what it has come to believe it is. To fail is a blow to the ego. Constant failure can destroy the ego. It is replaced by humility.
Eastern philosophy has much to say about the ego and the treachery it is capable of. The less of an ego we have the more real and true we are to ourself and others.
God won't get anywhere in this world without a degree. Talking in Hebrew just won’t cut it in the city and burnt offerings are so yesterday. Celestial chariots are a no, no, Audi is cool. God needs to change his name, buy some decent suits, aquire a computer and start communicating in an up-to-date way. Life outside the desert will be a Revelation to him.